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accounts vs. categories in BCM
Last Post 18 Dec 2008 07:57 PM by Lon. 10 Replies.
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Susan
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| 02 Dec 2008 09:28 PM |
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I'm just starting to use BCM as more than a glorified address book and calendar. I'm stuck on how to use accounts versus how to use categories. I'm used to ACT!, where there was a hierarchical groups and subgroups structure. I agree that a hierarchical view is NOT the way to look at and organize 21st Century business--I get that. But I'm not sure what the relative functions of accounts and categories should be in my case. I don't have accounts in the traditional sense--big companies who I interact with as customers or prospects or suppliers or whatever. I actually am involved in several businesses.
I am a real estate investor, doing marketing mailings to various types of seller lists--new Notice of Defaults, post bankruptcies, probates, out-of-town owners, free-and-clear owners, etc. I also need to maintain buyer lists, and to keep track of resources--real estate agents, mortgage brokers, various types of repair services.
I am a writer. I need to keep track of the people and organizations who buy my services; my sources of information; fellow members of various writers' groups I participate in; etc.
I am in the travel business. I need to keep track of travel vendors, potential customers, target affinity groups, etc., and manage marketing mailings.
SO....how should I use categories, and how should I use accounts? Is there a white paper or the like out there that covers this? I have read Lon Orenstein's Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager for Dummies cover to cover, and he makes some suggestions, but the examples don't fit what I'm dealing with (which, admittedly, is not very typical).
Any advice or information sources would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Lon
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| 03 Dec 2008 09:11 PM |
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sbreidenbach:
Well, you've certainly got a lot going on in the world!
In the old ACT days, you would have tried to use ID/Status but that won't work because one person could be a real estate agent, a travel writer, and in charge of a travel affinity group.
I'm thinking that Accounts are not what you need. You might look at Business Projects though as one place to keep smaller groups of people (members of writers groups, maybe) because you can link many people to one Project and a Contact can be linked to many Projects (unlike Accounts -- a Contact can only be linked to one Account) .
The trick for you is how to setup these different groups of people. Categories is probably the best way because Outlook and BCM use Categories easily and a Contact can be many Categories. The alternative is to "spend" custom fields on lots of checkboxes so you can enter a check mark in Realtor, Buyer, Writer, Travel Vendor, et al. The problem with this is you'll run out at 40 fields and you've probably got many other pieces of data you want to track about each kind of contact. In fact, you may be best off putting lots of that detail in the Comments or Description fields so you can search it. It won't be organized into "fields" but you can keep track.
The other part of BCM I would study extensively is Search Folders. This is the replacement for Groups in ACT and you can define a Search Folder as "the contact is in this category but not in that other category". When you need a list of contacts with foreclosures to do a mailing, you can use all or part of a Search Folder to create it, then export in CSV.
Finally, you might think about Microsoft CRM Online. It's BCM's big brother, hosted by Microsoft, and you can buy it with no upfront cost and $195 per month for five users. It plugs into Outlook, similar to BCM, but is available with a browser from wherever you or someone on your team can get onto the internet. CRM is MUCH more customizable (without a 40 field limit) and has an integrated email marketing engine and automated workflow engine also.
Hope that helps, Lon
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Susan
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| 06 Dec 2008 08:39 AM |
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I think I get it, at least conceptually. But when I tried to create some search folders, I couldn't. I got the New Search Folder box, and I named the folder and selected the item type, and then clicked on the Filters button. I got a "boing" noise and the message, "Business Contact Manager for Outlook could not complete your last action or actions. Please try again." I tried different names and different item types, with the same result. In your book on page 246, you say, "you can't add, delete, rename, or customize the folders in an offline database. You have to create these folders on the server, not the remote database." I'm not using BCM in a server configuration at this point; I have it on my desktop and on my laptop. It's part of Office 2007 Small Business Edition. Are search folders missing from this version? I really need something for subgroups, or I'm going to end up with WAY too many categories! Thanks. |
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Lon
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| 07 Dec 2008 06:28 PM |
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sbreidenbach:
That message you received is the generic "We don't know what's wrong with BCM so here's an error message". It could be some corruption in the database. Try creating a new BCM database and try it with that one. Or, from the Outlook main menu, go to Business Contact Manager, Manage Databases, and there's an option in there to Check for Errors. See if that helps...
Thanks, Lon |
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Susan
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| 08 Dec 2008 09:33 PM |
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This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser....I ran the database error check as you suggested, but the problem persists. So I created a new database, put some contacts in it, and then tried to create a new search folder. Now I am getting a completely different New Search Folder Dialog Box. Instead of the one on p. 247 of your book, I am getting a longer box that is all about e-mail. Under "New Search Folder," it says "Select A Search Folder:" and then has a list of headings--Reading Mail; Mail from People and Lists; Organizing Mail; and Custom. Each heading has its own list of items. The problem with this different dialog box is that there is no place to select the type of item you want to organize--e-mail vs. business contacts. I want to organize business contacts, not e-mail. Any idea what is going on? Why are there two separate Create New Search Folder dialog boxes? Thanks! |
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Lon
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| 09 Dec 2008 09:40 AM |
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sbreidenbach:
I have a feeling you found the Outlook Search Folders instead of the BCM. Look at the very bottom of the navigation tree under Business Contact Manager. As you found, Outlook has the same capability, only for emails (a handy little tool...).
Hope that helps, Lon
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Susan
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| 11 Dec 2008 01:14 AM |
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You are right--I finally figured that out for myself, but then forgot to update the thread on your web page. Sorry! But I still have the same problem when I get to the RIGHT New Search Folder dialog box. I get that generic error message whenever I click on the filter button. The software simply won't let me create search folders. Are you sure this feature is available when you are using BCM in standalone mode on a desktop, and not in a client/server configuration? None of the literature--yours, or that of others--indicates that this is the case. But I don't want to beat my head against a wall if it is. Thanks! |
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Lon
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| 11 Dec 2008 10:32 AM |
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sbreidenbach:
I would contact Microsoft at this point and see what they say about it being a bug. Yes, you should be able to create Search Folders without error on a standalone desktop (where the BCM database resides on that hard drive). You should also be able to do it when you're connected to a shared database in the office. You won't be able to do it if you have an offline copy of a shared database on a laptop and you're away from the office (I think -- I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one...).
Did you try creating a new BCM database on the desktop and try that one?
HTH, Lon
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Susan
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| 11 Dec 2008 07:33 PM |
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Hi Lon: Yes, I tried creating a new BCM database. Same thing happened. I've left messages all over any Microsoft support forum I can find, but no one has responded. If I ever get an answer and find out what is wrong, I'll let you know. Thanks for all your efforts--I really appreciate it. Happy Holidays!! |
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Susan
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| 18 Dec 2008 07:27 PM |
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Just wanted to let you know what happened with MS support. I went back and forth for a week or so via email with one of their guys, and he finally gave up and referred me to MS telephone support. Today, I spent a total of THREE (count 'em) hours on the phone wiht them. The first guy was getting really frustrated, and finally put me on hold while he consulted with someone. Then he cut me off--inadvertently, I assume--and didn't call me back. So I called back in and got a much smarter guy. After quickly checking things the first guy had spent hours stumbling through, he decided that my software was probably corrupted, and he reinstalled BCM. That didn't work. Then he decided that maybe Microsoft Framework.net was corrupted, and he reinstalled that. That didn't work. Then he decided my data itself must be corrupted, so he washed it through a spreadsheet and re-imported it. I was very skeptical that everything, including notes I had entered in the Details area, would be preserved in this process, but as far as I can tell, it was. I had been using ACT! for years, and was getting increasingly frustrated with it. It was slow and crashed a lot, but also it seemed to be very rigidly structured. I got the feeling that it had been first created as a hierarchical database, and then adapted (mal-adapted?) to a relational framework after it was clear the SQL Server was taking over the world. Anyway, I upgraded to ACT! 9 in one last effort to make ACT! work, and then gave up and moved to BCM about a year and a half ago. The migration process went fine EXCEPT--the contacts that had been created in ACT! in the last few months didn't migrate. I went back and forth with you and some other people at the time, but the issue was never resolved, and I finally ended up moving the remaining contact records manually. (Fortunately I type really fast!!) So clearly, there was something wrong with the ACT! database I was migrating. And the Microsoft tech who solved the problem said he had helped a lot of customers move data from ACT 7 and 8 with no problem, but that migrating from ACT 9 could be difficult. That's the story. Oh--I didn't understand how the filter worked in search folders. I thought I could just say I want these 10 contacts in this search folder. But, of course, it doesn't work that way, and I can see why not. (Again, I was thinking hierarchically in terms of groups and subgroups instead of interrelated items.....) I'm going to have to tweak some fields (like using generic, standard Job Titles) in my contact data in order to use search folders effectively. And use the Area of Interest field (which I had been ignoring) with search folder filters in mind. Thanks again for all your help--you're the best!! |
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Lon
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| 18 Dec 2008 07:57 PM |
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sbreidenbach:
Thanks for the update -- I love it when it works!!! I hate to bash ACT (well, actually I'm tired of doing it...) but there is a long history of corrupted data and trying to get it out is a huge pain.
I'm glad you've got it handled now...
Take care, Have a great Holiday season and 2009!
Lon
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